If you find the songs you are going to use do not sound like the above songs. It is absolutely fine as long as you don't label them nightcore, use Artist - Song Name (Sped Up), (Speed Mix) or (Speed Edit) instead. If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
It is good to see people can listen to what they enjoy. Just a little more classifications can help everyone get what they want more easily. Thank you very very much.
May combine 3. and 4. into one part later, lets see after I finally the thread.
UNUSED MATERIAL NO NEED TO SEE
Tutorial by SakutaroChannelNC3 WIP
I think understanding what you mean, but I'm not sure... I try to give you an answer telling you how I edit tracks... I first simply speed up the original track (and the key changes automatically, for this song the key is Em at 170 BPM) and then I change the pitch, it depends on the original voice singing and my taste and "experience". That's for female vocals songs. For male ones is different and it's a bit more complex and difficult. When I speed up, they changes the key into "female" one and it often sounds very horrible, so I have to change the key and not the pitch, coming back to the most similar key of the original song. The speed of the song sounds a bit slower (and I adjust it speeding the track of 1BPM or decimals) and the song sounds also a bit "muffled" (I adjust it balancing tremble/mid/bass) but the difference between the coming back to the original key and the BPM has to be very high to notice these "lack of audio quality". Key editing is different from pitch editing, key editing is strict (there are different keys) while you can pitch a song how many times you want till you reach the maximum level of the sound distortion. Changing the key, the pitch indirectly changes too, you can hear the vocals more female, and vice versa, but, pitch and key are not the same things, but on this point of view, we can say that the result is the same.
Vocal trance or euro house?
House but what house?
Between vocal trance and euro house
Things to add, again no need to see
Audacity vs wavepad
it’s because wavepad lowers the volume of everything but the bass
LonelyLittleAngel - 03:46
wavepad the bass sounds a little bit muffled but is not noticeable.
emilemil1 - 04:13
pitching up the bass makes it less bassy
LonelyLittleAngel - 04:12
eww then the song was origianly poor quality
emilemil1 - 04:08
the muffled bass is the actual sound
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Part 1. Genre
The following classification is written an amateur with the informations from Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music, Discogs, Wikipedia, Rate Your Music and Last.fm which are also written by amateurs at some point.
Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
(a) Mainstream Nightcore (Eurodance, Hands Up, Hard Trance and Trance)
Consider the are LOTS of subgenres of Trance, we are using the ones that make make people dance all night long, hence the name Nightcore, we are NOT using Trance that really make people into a state of trance.
(b) Minor nightcore (Italo Dance, Bubblegum Dance, Eurobeat, Euro House, Hardcore, Hard Style and Vocal Trance)
All genres/styles in this lists are not used by the original Nightcore. But still a better than calling a sped up rock nightcore.
(iii) Hardcore (Hardcore, Happy Hardcore and UK Hardcore)
While nightcore is meant to be sped up slow song (~140 BPM to ~175 BPM), hardcore songs are fast already (>170 BPM). The tricky part is to balance pitch, the BPM and the speed of vocal.
(v) Vocal Trance
BEWARE 90% Vocal Trance are too chilling or not hard enough to be nightcore, that's why you see only few nightcore uploaders upload Vocal Trance in nightcore style and this is in minor nightcore.
Part 2. Source and Audio Quality
There are 4 factors affecting the quality of your nightcore videos. The quality of the source audio, how you speed up the songs, how you export the audio after speeding up and how you export your . A good audio source is crucial to make quality nightcore, nothing can help if the source is bad at the first place. Editing/transcode will only affect the quality negatively so try to not to use tracks been transcoded a lot like YouTube videos.
(a) Legal Online Purchases
Legal tracks give you best quality but they cost you.
Only shows genre (dance), no style (trance/house).
Some tracks may not be available in your region's shop and you can't buy tracks from other regions.
>256 kbps m4a.
Full metadata and album art.
The followings are spectrograms, basically it is the higher the better. TL;DL is iTunes' M4A has the best quality compares to Amazon and Beatport's 320 kbps MP3.
iTunes M4A quality, DJs from Mars - Insane (In Da Brain) (feat. Fragma) [Original Radio Edit], compares to Amazon's
iTunes M4A quality, MaLu Project - Heartbeat (HandsUp Radio Mix), compares to Beatport's
Only shows genre (dance), no style (trance/house).
320 kpbs mp3.
Only available in United States, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Japan, Italy, Spain. (let me know if there is any change)
Never bought one.
Amazon 320kbps MP3 quality, DJs from Mars - Insane (In Da Brain) (feat. Fragma) [Original Radio Edit]
Include both genre and style but Beatport has tendency to keep remixes' genres same as the original mix even when they are not.
More expensive ($1.49 vs iTunes $0.99)
May got region blocked.
NO metadata and album art in mp3.
Pay with credit cards and PayPal.
Show Title, Artist and Album
Show Bit rate and sample rate
Show file size.
Show file size.
Find they when the songs are nowhere to be found.
Found a rare track in EXCELLTENT quality there.
Find they when the songs are nowhere to be found.
(?) Other MP3 site you recommend?
Downloading from YouTube should be the last option, three reasons:
1) Audio bitrate of YouTube videos are limited to 192 in HD videos and 128 in non HD
2) You don't their audio source nor how they export the vidoes
3) Audio is transcoded two more times (before and after uploaded to YouTube)
Do so only when the track is nowhere to be found or YouTube somehow has a better audio than the mp3s you found elsewhere. Don't use any video convert to mp3 site, reason is the more times the track is transcoded the worse the quality. Use 4K Downloader and download the whole video in 720p for HD and 480p for non HD videos.
Example of what happens after reuploading the 1000 times. Even you won't do that, just to show you the quality is lowered when uploads on YouTube, especially for the non HD videos in earlier years.
(*) Download 720p even 1080p is available
While the audio of 1080p videos is fine when being played on YouTube, it is not when you download it. Because there is no a 1080p video with audio in YouTube's server, it combines a M4A audio file and a MP4 video file when being played.
Using YouTube Video and Audio Downloader (a Firefox addon)
Softwares like 4K Downloader let you download a whole 1080p video WITH audio even YouTube DOES NOT have it, which in fact 4K Downloader CREATES a 1080p video by combining the MP4 1080p video and the M4A audio. But somehow it uses a lower quality M4A audio file.
1080p video SMALLER than 720p videos?
This explains why, the left is the 1080p video and the right one is 720p, 125 kbps vs 192 kbps
So as the raw ACC audio file I extracted from the videos.
SO DOWNLOAD 720p EVEN 1080p IS AVAILABLE FOR THE BEST QUALITY.
(f) Audio Quality
Mostly, you don't need to worry about the audio from legal purchase but you do when you are using a mp3 from the Internet. Like some high bitrate mp3s are indeed fake, made from lower bitrate and you need to know how to identify them.
Nothing can help if the audio quality is bad to start with, so pick the best one carefully.
128 is basic, 160 is better, 192 is standard, >192 is great and 320 is ideal.
Check if the duration of your mp3s same as the ones states in info sites above, if not, they are edited by the mp3 ripper. But this is a rather minor thing compare to bitrate, metadata and waveform.
(iii) Metadata and Album Art
An ideal mp3 should be full metadata, meaning they are ripped by skilled rippers from legit sources. Album Art is a plus but most people don't keep it to save disk space.
A great feature of Audacity, see Part 3 Software for more infor about Audacity.
Drag the track into Audacity, it should show waveform.
Bad waveforms examples
The mp3 is not using all the bitrate, meaning it is a fake high quality mp3 made from a lower bitrate.
The track originally has higher bitrate but the mp3 doesn't have high enough bitrate, quality been lowered to fit into the mp3.
*Some legal purchased tacks and mp3 look a bit similar to this.
*When there is only one sound track in a audio file, it is mono sound which is bad compare to stereo sound.
The most poewrful tool to check audio quality. Another great feature of Audacity, see Part 3 Software for more infor about Audacity.
Drag the track into Audacity, click the track name in the left, click Spectrogram
Hover your mouse on the scale, then right click few times to zoom out to max.
Then you see the real quality of the track.
Bad spectrogram examples
The followings are different Nightcore videos I downloaded from YouTube.
FAKE HD Nightcore, using only 100-150 kbps, also a weird gap in the middle.
100 kbps quality.
Good spectrogram examples
ideal 190 kbps quality
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The one of the handiest software to speed up a song.
Shows BPM but if it is <100 BPM, it is wrong (usually, unless it is a hardcore and it is 200 BPM on its own), you need to double the BPM.
Pitch slider: Controls the speed/pitch of the track when moving the slider. Moving it downward to speed up.
Key lock: When enabled changing the pitch of the song does not change the tone of the track.
Free (Home version).
A bit more difficult to get a precious sped up % change as you drag pitch slider instead of inputing numbers.
You need to play the whole song when recording.
Frist, drag a song into the disk. Then you drag to pitch slider. As you do so, the PITCH changes.
The common sped up % is 25, but the closest you can get from pitch slider is 24.9% from 33% pitch range. If you want preciously 25%, click the number 33% on top of the pitch slider, changing it to 50%, 100% then back to 6% and so on. It will be 25% after 8 clicks.
If you think the pitch is too high, try a lower pitch, enable key lock, then rise the pitch back. Can you get a lower pitch but same tempo in this way and vice versa.
2. Have you used Key lock to balance tempo and pitch?
Naturally, pitch changes when you change the tempo. By enabling key lock, pitch does not change as tempo does then you risk messing the track.
Examples of messed tracks and ideal tracks.
The left one is messed, the right one is ideal.
Minor messed, notice 1:17-1:30__________notice 2:25-2:40
One example of rather satisfactory outcome of using key lock, except 2:20
To avoid any possible the audio messing altogether, just do not use key lock.
(a) If you used Key lock
If you did use Key lock but managed not to mess up the track, then you can proceed to RECORD then click CONFIG...
A window like this pops up
Auto-Start means it will start recording when you click play.
If you want to have best quality thought out all processes, choose Format as WAV, file size will be 20-30 MB. If you are not as mad as me about audio quality, 320 kbps MP3 is absolutely fine, file size 5-10 MB. If you really don't have much disk space or to save space for mobile devices, at least higher than the original track.
(b) If you didn't use Key lock
Not using Key lock meaning you are feeling good about pitch goes as tempo goes up at the same rate.
Now you need Audacity to make a lossless sped up edit but we are NOT using Effect -> Change Speed, we will be using Set Rate instead.
Click the track name as shown, Set Rate -> Other
25% would be 44100*1.25=55125, 20% would be 44100*1.2=52920, etc.
Notice that after you clicked OK, this process is done instantly, meaning it does not change the song, just sample rate (the number of samples of audio carried per second) is changed. Unlike Change Speed which takes a bit time to process, changing the rate does not resample the track, so is completely lossless - the samples are just moved to different positions along the Timeline. Detailed explanations: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Chang ... h_together
Then you click File -> Export to export. But you need to understand the feature of different format.
WAV: uncompressed, lossless, best quality also the biggest file size.
MP3: compressed, lossy
M4A: compressed, lossy, better audio quality in a lesser space than the mp3
Comparisons of the spectrogram of wav, mp3 and m4a files.
The tack is DJ Gollum - All the Things She Said (feat. Scarlet) (Radio Mix) from iTunes.
As you can see M4A is more similar to WAV compare to MP3 meaning M4A is less lossy than MP3.
File size comparisons, but who would care about disk space nowadays.
WAV (1411 kbps): 27.8 MB
M4A (500 quality, 355 kbps): 7.04 MB
MP3 (320 kbps constant bit rate): 6.32 MB
Pick WAV if you want the best quality, or M4A for a better reasonable file size. MP3 should be your last consideration.
There is no WAV export options WAV because it is lossless already. But we do have export options for M4A and MP3.
M4A export options:
When you are about to export the audio to M4A
Click Options to bring up the following window, set it to 500 for the best quality
Resulotions: width x height
Bit rate: how many data per second
Frame rate: how many frames per second
Bit rate: how many data per second, YouTube use 192 kbps for HD, so we stick with it
kHz: we just use 44.1 kHz consider most audio sources are 44.1 kHz (even Google says YouTube use 48 kHz here. It is meaningless to make them 48 kHz. (even if you do so, YouTube just make them back to 44.1 kHz.)
Mono vs stereo: always go with stereo
(b) Window Movie Maker
If you don't know where to open it, just find Movie Maker then you just find it.
Drag the images and song into Movie Maker. Click Options (under Music Tools), copy the time in End point (wihout s) to Duration which is in Edit (under Video Tools).
Click the blue button. Hover your mouse on Save movie -> push S or scroll to the bottom and click Create custom setting...
Change the setting to this and save it
1920 x 1080 for 1080p, 1280 x 720 for 720p
2048 kbps is enough for most 1 image only videos. If you are using more than one image and you got some blurry videos, change 1080p to 720p.
FPS should not be smaller than 6, YouTube will be make it back to 6 anyways. Also if the fps is too low, it adds 2 second silence the the start and deleted the last 2 seconds.
Detailed explanations of why you should not use 1 fps below, not necessary need to read.
Videos rendered by Windows Movie Maker play audio only after the first frame, so 1 fps will make the first 1 or 2 second silence and delete the last 2 seconds like:
To compensate lost of the last 2 seconds, you can manually add 2 seconds in the duration of the video. Then Movie Maker deletes the extra 2 seconds you added, then you got the full ending.
Sometimes you got 2s silence or 1s silence, (if you are as mad as me) you can export the videos few more times to get the 1s silence ones. But beware your settings, if you added 2s video duration but only got 1s silence, then you have 1 extra second at the end. Try to match them if possible. (ofc you don't need to unless as mad as me)
The following is added 1s in video duration and I did exported a video with only 1s silence. There are 2 images in the end if you add 2s in video duration.
(c) VideoPad The max kbps for VideoPad videos is limited to 160 kbps while Movie Maker can have 192 kbps. VideoPad should be the last software you use.
Drag the images and song into VideoPad, then drag the audio and the image to the timeline below. Drag the image to match the duration of the audio.
Click File -> Export video, then you change the options. The following is the ideal setting for me. I just use a single image so 1 fps is fine for me, also keeping the video smaller helps the viewer buffer and download the video faster.
The following window pops up when you click Encoder options
Because I am using 1 fps only, I can afford the best video quality factor (1). At the audio quality part, you don't need 320 kbps as the max quality on YouTube is 192 kbps nor the the video will have 320 kbps. I never have a video made from VideoPad with >170 kbps audio. Let me know if you find another video software allow me to have both 1 fps video and 192 kbps audio.
Detailed YouTube encoding explanations: http://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171
(d) Quality Comparisons
Examples of bad and good audio quality videos.
The top ones are bad, the bottom ones are better ones.
The following are both bad but the bottom one is better.
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LonelyLittleAngel wrote:Add youtube-mp3.org to download mp3
Well downloading tracks from YouTube should be the last option as bit rate is limited to 128 or 192 for HD. Also quality is lowered when videos uploads on YouTube. One example is after 1000 times of downloading and uploading, the video is very very bad. http://mashable.com/2010/06/03/youtube-i-am-sitting/
Even if YouTube is the only way to get the track, don't use any video convert to mp3 site, reason is as same as above: the more the encoding the worse the quality. Use 4K Downloader and download the whole video in best quality.
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hko2006 wrote:If you are desperately want to label them nightcore, please do add the actual genre after Nightcore - Song Name [Genre].
Yes, this brings up something I was trying to say. People say that all songs labelled as nightcore would cause confusion. Well that's where adjectives come in. Phrases like "rap music" and "techno music" help people who want a certain kind of music get what they want. Similarly, this should help people who want a certain kind of nightcore.
I like how you acknowledge the people that really want to use the nightcore name for their uploads, regardless of genre.